Where stress becomes visible
Abigail calls attention to the shoulders rising toward the ears and to jaw clenching. Kathi recognizes the shoulder habit in herself. The exchange is useful because it moves an abstract word—stress—into sensations someone can notice before reacting to a partner.
Abigail describes these patterns from her massage practice. Her account is a practitioner’s observation, not a diagnosis or a claim that everyone responds in the same way.
The invitation is to notice, not blame
A partner may reach out with affection while the other person feels overstimulated or sore. Both experiences can be real at once. The conversation suggests naming what is happening in the body before interpreting the moment as rejection.
A gentle check-in might sound like: ‘My shoulders are tight and I need a minute. I want to be close; could we start by sitting together?’
“for you, it doesn't feel like love, and for the other person, it feels like you did not want them.”Abigail · 9:18
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Kathi’s perspective on relationships and Abigail’s experience in bodywork meet in this conversation. Explore their work directly:
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